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21 Responses to “links for 2008-01-21”

1. alo Says:
   January 21st, 2008 at 6:34 pm

   Republicans deserve all the scorn and spit moral people can muster for giving us war, torture and a stronger police state.

   My resolution: Spit on a Republican once a week.

2. Caitlin Says:
   January 21st, 2008 at 11:12 pm

   What about all the lazy democrats? Do they deserve scorn too because they aren’t pledging to take an active stance against all republicans?

3. Jonesy Says:
   January 22nd, 2008 at 12:05 am

   P.S. The Democrats overwhelming voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act . . . when they were both “popular”.

4. alo Says:
   January 22nd, 2008 at 12:27 pm

   I’m referring to Republicans who get into spitting distance. They do not tend to be U.S. Representatives and Senators, so I was not thinking of our shiftless congress. They also should be heaped with scorn for trying to out-Republican the Republicans.

   My previous comment goes to all the war supporters, 24-watching, “turn the region into glass” rednecks who surround me daily. You know, the 25 percenters.

5. Alecia Says:
   January 23rd, 2008 at 2:34 pm

   Alo, are you living in my neighborhood and I don’t know it? I run into those same people every day.

6. Jonesy Says:
   January 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am

   Alo, I support the war, don’t watch 24, don’t understand “turn the region into glass”, and grew up a “redneck”. I hope I’m not a likley spitoon for you. Ironically, the only time I’ve ever seen someone get spit on in America was during the Republican Convention when “Liberal / Democratic” protesters spit on volunteers for the Convention. Which in and of itself seemed somewhat “redneck”, although I’m sure becaue they ate granola and drove Priuses they could justify spitting on other people for “The Cause”.

7. alo Says:
   January 25th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

   Jonesy,

   Wow. Somebody pull up the fainting couch. Yank Jonesy’s hand away from clutching the pearls on his neck and put a hanky in it.

   You support a war in which hundreds of thousands of people have been killed, maimed and raped and which has displaced over 4 million Iraqis. Might I add, a war for which no one has offered a plausible justification to date.

   Bbbut but! I sssaw a LIBERAL! Sp sp SPIT on someone! in AMURIKA!

   Are you for real?!

   I was mostly kidding about the spitting, if not my sincere disgust for your politics. I understand it’s hard to judge tone sometimes. But even if I was serious, do you see how these things aren’t even comparable? You support senseless destruction which will cripple a country and its people for generations for no discernable reason. I support spitting on you for it. What an uncivilized thought!

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_parking_lot

   Um, why do you support the war?

8. Jonesy Says:
   January 26th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

   I support the war for humanitarian, legal, and national defense reasons. There is no doubt, war is brutal. I’d be happy to go into great detail with you why I think it was the correct foreign policy decision in great detail. What is your email? I’m sure ANP is tired of this hijackng of her blog. As for joking, I assumed you didn’t actually spit on people. But my issue more generally is with Democrats who espouse an ideology of acceptance and understanding, but do not practice it.

9. alo Says:
   January 26th, 2008 at 10:55 pm

   I’m quite sure ANP is tickled pink with this hijacking of her blog. And I for one would like to have the “humanitarian, legal and national defense reasons” to support this godforsaken war see the light of day. What is that saying about disinfectant?

   So if I’m a Democrat, I should practice acceptance and understanding of . . . the sick belief that unleashing this hell on an innocent population has some kind of sound humanitarian, legal and national defense justification? Not going to happen anytime soon. Why should it? Because democrats aren’t supposed to hurt anyone’s feelings? Again, we’re talking about actual human suffering versus your hurt feelings that someone thinks war cheerleading is reprehensible. Only one of these things keeps me up at night.

10. Jonesy Says:
    January 27th, 2008 at 2:29 am

    Was the human suffering that the Iraqis endured under Saddam just a better brand of human suffering? How many Kurds did Saddam et al gas again? As for Democrats, my gross disgust with them has nothing to do with their support, and then lack of support when it became unpopular, of the Iraq war. As for my feelings, they definitely aren’t hurt. Afterall, I’m Canadian and we didn’t support the war ;)(that’s an emoticon). Just curious though, are all wars bad? Or just the ones you can’t personally justify? A lot of innoncent people died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Justified human suffering?

11. Jonesy Says:
    January 27th, 2008 at 2:30 am

    NYET to passwords.

12. alo Says:
    January 28th, 2008 at 10:50 am

    It’s funny you mention WWII. There’s an example of a war we did not start for fun, vanity, empire, etc. The Japanese did all that, and waterboarding too!

    Justified nukes? It’s a nuanced problem when it comes to Japan.

    Since we* are now in Japan’s shoes, I would say it’s a very delicate question indeed.

    As for Saddam’s genocidal acts, they happened in the 1980’s, before the first Gulf War, and so that is an obvious pretext. We* weren’t exactly uninvolved in that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran-Iraq_war

    As for Iraqi suffering under Saddam, by all accounts, it was bad, but still better than now.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=RNWE%2CRNWE%3A2005-35%2CRNWE%3Aen&q=iraq+better+under+saddam

    Is that your humanitarian, legal and national defense reason(s)?

    *We Americans (Canadians who support the Iraq war are probably an even smaller club than the 25 percenters. Very elite.)

13. Jonesy Says:
    January 29th, 2008 at 3:06 am

    It’s funny you use the word nuance.

    According to widely accepted sources, 253,008 people have died due to the bombing in Hiroshima and 143,124 in Nagasaki.

    Quite the nuance. Some liberals would call those bombings (nuances) war crimes.

14. alo Says:
    January 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Are you accusing me of being a bad liberal now? I’m against the Iraq war so I have to denounce all past wars? I hereby denounce the Boer War! The First AND the Second!

    Is that somehow related to your humanitarian, legal and national defense reasons for supporting the Iraq war? I’m eagerly awaiting those. You seem eager to change the subject. Or are you trying to say the Iraq war is justified because of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? I have to give you credit. That is a new one to me.

    “I’d be happy to go into great detail with you why I think it was the correct foreign policy decision in great detail.” Anytime you are ready….

15. Jonesy Says:
    January 29th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    All liberals are bad. They should be spit on. Oh wait . . .

16. Jonesy Says:
    January 29th, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    So far in our rants, ANO (my one day facebook friend), you have basically only given these reasons for opposing the war:

    “senseless destruction which will cripple a country and its people for generations for no discernable reason”

    “the sick belief that unleashing this hell on an innocent population ”

    Logically, I then presumed your opposition to the war was based on the fact that innocent people were being hurt because of the war.

    Which, naturally, led me to wonder if you opposed all wars for this singular reason. I would presume innocent people dying are innocent people dying. But it seems your defense of innocent people only occurs when you believe the war is just. So, when do you believe wars are just?

    While I fully intend to offer my justification for the war, my disdain for your (and all) irrational liberal rants makes me wonder if it is worth my time at the computer.

    Perhaps after you defend pacifism, you can defend the welfare state?

    I hear Karl Marx had some interesting theories as well . . .

17. ANP Says:
    January 29th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Wo wo wo, I’m ANP. She’s ALO. Let’s get our initials straight here.

    Can’t we all work this out over a game of Scrabulous?

18. Jonesy Says:
    January 30th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Some days Jonesy thinks ALO might really be ANP . . . no picture on facebook, similar initials, etc . . . hmmmm.

19. alo Says:
    January 31st, 2008 at 10:17 am

    This has become tiresome. I oppose the war because it is, and always was, unjustified. One only needs to look at the shifting justifications offered up to know that, even if it wasn’t plain from day one, which to me, it was. I do not know what is so hard to understand about that. I keep asking you why, for what reason, you support the war, even after it has been fully revealed to be a complete boondoggle, because it is unfathomable to me. So I ask, why? Why do people like you continue to think it’s worth the cost and destruction? What makes you think this war is worthwhile? I’m slowly coming to the conclusion that you love war for war’s sake. You’ve given me nothing else to go on.

    Human suffering is terrible, whatever the cause, but when it is completely without any reason whatsoever, it’s maddening. If there was a reason, you would have deigned to share it by now. It’s long past put up or shut up time. Now it’s just shut up time. So, please, shut up.

    While I’ll take your odd paranoia as a compliment, I could not possibly be ANP. If I met you in person, I’d want the saliva exchange to be a one-way transaction only.

20. alo Says:
    January 31st, 2008 at 10:30 am

    I’m sorry. I didn’t answer your question. Self-defense would be a plausible justification for going to war–responding to a military attack by the government of that country. See WWII. Cf. Iraq War.

    Perhaps after you defend “pre-emptive” [of nothing!] wars, you can defend the corporatist state? You know, after pigs fly and hell freezes over.

21. ANP Says:
    January 31st, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Wo, let’s leave my saliva out of this! Geez, ALO, put me on blast already.

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